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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:30 am 
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The ordinary person is heavily taxed for travelling to and from work, or even to the local shops. But highly paid members of of the Serious Fraud Office have their commuting costs paid by the taxpayer. As 'they' say, “We are all in this together” - we pay - and 'they' spend it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... ondon.html
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A senior civil servant is receiving taxpayer-funded benefits worth £27,600 to cover hotel bills and train fares for commuting to London from her home in the Lake District.
The Serious Fraud Office has disclosed that nine of its staff are having their commuting costs met by the taxpayer at a cost of more than £72,000 per year.
The most senior official getting the benefit is its chief executive, Phillippa Williamson, who spends most weekdays in London and travels back to Cumbria at the weekends.
Her travel costs of £12,600 are treated as a "benefit in kind", along with the £15,000 cost of her accommodation. The benefits are on top of Ms Williamson's salary of at least £120,000 and bonus of more than £10,000 for her work last year.
It is understood that the senior fraud official had a similar arrangement in her previous job at HM Revenue and Customs, where she was in charge of the national team for tax credits.
That is the same HMRC outfit that persecutes every PAYE taxpayer, and every pensioner with more than one pension income; the same HMRC that insists on taxing any savings we have worked for.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:54 pm 
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Don't do as I do, do as I say :evil:

These people are totally shielded from the real world misery of the commuter.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:19 pm 
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The same HMRC that couldn't make a case against Harry Redknap stick.......

Why else transfer £189,000 offshore unless you intend to hide it. Fair play to Harry he got away with it and I don't like paying the revenue as much as anyone but clearly in prosecuting him they did not pay attention to detail.

They should be investigating the civil servants who sign these contract arrangements off. There was another case only last week where the chief exec of A4E the firm contracted by the Government to get the long term unemployed back into work. Despite having a target of 30% as a measure against success they only achieved 9% didn't stop her paying herself a dividend of £8.4 million from the £170 million paid by the taxpayer to front the scheme...

Same business model as the banks take tax payer money and give yourself bonuses!


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:47 pm 
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geezer466 wrote:
They should be investigating the civil servants who sign these contract arrangements off.
The problem is; “They” are the same people who are benefiting from these arrangements; it would be a case of turkeys voting for Christmas. All civil servants should be firmly bolted into the PAYE system and taxed at source, with no special payments for travel, bonuses, or anything else.

These stories are going to build a head of steam that results in a degree of public anger similar to that resulting from the MPs expenses scandal. Civil servants are already regarded by the general public as being feather-bedded with a pension scheme that is far superior to anything in the private sector.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:34 pm 
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Westonman wrote:
geezer466 wrote:
They should be investigating the civil servants who sign these contract arrangements off.
The problem is; “They” are the same people who are benefiting from these arrangements; it would be a case of turkeys voting for Christmas. All civil servants should be firmly bolted into the PAYE system and taxed at source, with no special payments for travel, bonuses, or anything else.

These stories are going to build a head of steam that results in a degree of public anger similar to that resulting from the MPs expenses scandal. Civil servants are already regarded by the general public as being feather-bedded with a pension scheme that is far superior to anything in the private sector.


Whoa there WM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As a Civil Servant who:
pays his own fares to work,
and pays his full PAYE,
and has strict leave restrictions this Olympic year
and has no prospect of a pay rise any time soon,
and is subject to a promotion ban
and has just had a pay cut - ie a huge pension contribution increase
and is subject to a pay review freeze,
and is about to be put on shifts without consultation -

(Ahem), please do not think for one minute that all Civil Servants are molly coddled . I would not be surprised if these expensive 'staff' are actually 'contractors' on supposedly short term contracts. In reality, I have seen contractors/consultants on contracts which are constantly extended - one chap is on his 18th year on £680 a day. He was successful in renegotiating his in October, whilst us PAYE slaves had their pay cut. I know of one who commutes from France, another from Spain.

I head a team of 7:- 2 staff and 5 contractors. Despite being the boss, I receive the second lowest pay after the 20 year old secretary who is on just under £20K (also a PAYE employee). All the others are on hugely higher fees than my salary. It's all to do with cooking the books. My dept cannot employ any more staff due to cuts, so they employ expensive contractors who don't show up on the figures as staff, but cost many time more.

Meanwhile, the contractors rape the public purse as they set up Ltd companies and pay their fees (sometimes £1500 or more a day) into the company. The company pay them (ie they take) £150 a day as salary and take the remainder as a monthly dividend payment from the company - taxed at 20%). So high pay and reduced taxes. This is where the greed is

So don't pick on us Civil Servants as all being 'feather-bedded' or 'spoilt', as some of us are being shafted daily for relatively low pay and are not very happy about it!


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:17 am 
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I am sure Westonman recognises the difference between those civil servants who abuse the system (there is more news today to suggest a few at the BBC are at it) and those on the lower rungs of the ladder who get shafted the same as the rest of us.

Pension annuities are fast becoming worthless anyway, this is a direct result of the amount of printing (QE) the BOE is employing and the fact they now seem addicted to it or perhaps it is the only weapon they have to stop the economy crashing completely.
In a way I am vindicated in spreading my retirement income across several savings vehicles rather than just a stock pension. Lansdown and Hargreaves (one of the largest investment advisor's in the pension's industry) would have me believe otherwise though with the content of their sales literature which lands on my mat regular as clockwork every fortnight. I can already see the grass roots of the next investment mis-selling scandal evolving.

As for A4E a family member worked here as a recruiter a while back and the trick is that they get paid to get people into work, and it does not matter if they get fired on the first day. Back on the dole, back on the A4E scheme and so on.

The creators are geniuses at milking the system.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:21 pm 
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geezer466 wrote:
I am sure Westonman recognises the difference between those civil servants who abuse the system (there is more news today to suggest a few at the BBC are at it) and those on the lower rungs of the ladder who get shafted the same as the rest of us.
Thanks Geezer; yes I do recognise the difference between the good and the bad.

SOT, you must be aware there are serious problems within the ranks of the Civil Service; maybe you are even more aware than those of us who have never been part of the Civil Service.

This latest report http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... ondon.html adds a lot of weight to the understanding that there are very serious problems of tax avoidance for certain high-paid high-ranking civil servants.

Phillippa Williamson's employment at the SFO is not the first time this woman has benefited from tax avoidance as part of her civil service. We are told she had similar arrangements when previously working for HMRC.
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It is understood that the senior fraud official had a similar arrangement in her previous job at HM Revenue and Customs, where she was in charge of the national team for tax credits. She joined the fraud watchdog initially on secondment as chief operating officer in 2008 amid a shake-up of its management. Her arrangements were detailed in the SFO's latest annual report.

The Solicitor General makes further revelations indicating that these special arrangements for tax avoidance are not uncommon.
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Edward Garnier, the Solicitor General, also disclosed the travel costs of other SFO staff in Parliament.
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"During the period for which the above figure is provided, nine staff are entitled to have the cost of travel from home to work met by the SFO."

This story http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/90 ... ition.html also confirms that these tax avoidance measures are part-and parcel of the system benefiting those within the upper ranks of the Civil Service.

SOME PERSON or PERSONS within the upper ranks of the Civil Service are agreeing to these tax avoidance employment agreements for certain Civil Servants. And from my experience of human nature, whoever is agreeing to these employment terms will most likely be benefiting from some kind of 'payment in kind' or back-hander themselves.

To the general public there would appear to be some considerable overlap and significant commonality between Civil Servants and public employees. But I believe there is probably a huge difference between the two groupings. It suits those who form part of the behind-the-scenes inner Civil Service to publicly align themselves with public employees, and for public employees to consider themselves as Civil Servants. However, I suspect the true differences are more akin to the relationship between Directors and employees in the private sector; but the truth is usually something much different. Some of the differences between Civil Servants and public employees become clearer when we identify those in the public sector who 'benefit' from Common Purpose graduation courses. Then we can begin to see the possibility of a 'them and us' situation.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:30 pm 
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geezer466 wrote:
(there is more news today to suggest a few at the BBC are at it)
Here is the report:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1mRe5JrPV
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The BBC spent £4million laying off staff – only for nearly half of them to continue working as normal.
The money was paid to around 70 workers as compensation because their posts were being relocated north to Salford.
But after accepting the ‘redundancy’ money – £57,000 each, on average – about 17 of them simply carried on in the same jobs, it is understood.
A further 15 or so others pocketed the money and then decided to move to Salford anyway – where they were  re-hired to do the same work, albeit for private companies.

£4million represents 275,862 hard-pressed and over-taxed TV licence payers.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:50 pm 
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Westonman wrote:
geezer466 wrote:
SOT, you must be aware there are serious problems within the ranks of the Civil Service; maybe you are even more aware than those of us who have never been part of the Civil Service.


SOME PERSON or PERSONS within the upper ranks of the Civil Service are agreeing to these tax avoidance employment agreements for certain Civil Servants. And from my experience of human nature, whoever is agreeing to these employment terms will most likely be benefiting from some kind of 'payment in kind' or back-hander themselves.

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Thanks for the clarification. :)

It's all very iffy. If as a taxpayer you are aggrieved (& you should be!), you wanna try working at the lower end of the Civil Service and seeing it going on all around you and there's nuffin you can do about it :evil:


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SOT wrote:
Thanks for the clarification. :)

It's all very iffy. If as a taxpayer you are aggrieved (& you should be!), you wanna try working at the lower end of the Civil Service and seeing it going on all around you and there's nuffin you can do about it :evil:
That's OK. I have never directly worked as a public employee, but I have worked as a private sector contractor in Government establishments. Believe me, I have witnessed something of the division between civil servant authority figures and the public sector worker. I could tell you a story (not on a public forum) that would keep you awake for several nights.


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